I’m not sure how these are different from already existing psych holds?

In Québec a convience store is called a dépanneur.

Then buy you beer from a dép.

Ontario and Québec are still very much on the bagged milk train.

Source: my fridge.

In Kingston, I’ve heard to janitorial staff needing to clear needles and remove tresspassers off the grounds at the boys & girls club, and a school that are the closest to the SCSs. I don’t know how the volume of cleaning compares to schools farther away from the SCS. My data is also hearsy, but comes from someone who works with the community.

I’ll also say Kingston concentrates support services geographically, which leads to concentrations of people using these services geographically. This is something I didn’t see in other cities where services are more spread out around.

Yes, I mean to say the organizations are volunteering to fill this health requirement. I think there was a long in translation theirs.

All of these organizations: https://ohrn.org/meet-our-networks/

Some are publicly owned, most aren’t, none of them are provincial.

if the choice is between having the safe consumption site close to your kids’ school and having people doing their drugs in the open near your kids’ school and leaving their used needles lying on the playground, which are you going to pick?

SCS

Often, these places are where they are because that’s where their clients already are.

Are they? Or is it just close enough the areas where underfunded volunteer organisations are able to get a physical site.

You may also want to measure out the radius of 200m from every school or daycare in your town or city on a map and see how many places are left where they can park SCSs.

This is neighborhood dependant. Somewhere like Sud-ouest in Montréal? Impossible. Somewhere like a Kingston suburb, a lot of real estate.

But that’s a great point, allow me to rephrase, the SCS sites should be an appropriate safe distance from schools; what that distance is is going to vary greatly between neighborhoods and their densities; and even the day trip programming of these schools (as an example if daycare always does their walks north to a canal which has playgrounds, then a SCS any distance along that route isn’t great, but a site to the south could be super close.

Figuring out where they’ll do more good than harm is more important than enforcing arbitrary limits.

Agreed, but this needs to be looked at holistically, not solely for the clients. That requires understanding the communities these sites are going into, and funding sites appropriately so selection isn’t based on funding.

Note that the government isn’t talking about moving SCSs outside of their arbitrary 200m zone from schools, they’ve simply announced their outright closure.

This is the crux. I don’t really want a safe consumption site near my kids’ school or daycare. I even think 200m is probably insufficient for a distance from a school or daycare. (I don’t know what the actual distance should be, 200m just feels insufficient)

But I also want SCSs. Literally just move them. The infrastructure demand is not that intense.

Nope, America is the pants and Alaska is the hat.

America is Canada’s pants AND hat.

Lazy teens don’t want to spend 40+ hours in the field then walk uphill both ways to school.

Reduced staff? Sure. Entire? No.

We have ambassadorial staff in Ukraine, and it’s a very hot mess. Work doesn’t stop just because a war is on.

We used to put the reduced staff in a nearby nation. Not sure if that’s still necessary with improved telecoms, we can probably pull them all the way home.

that *end users are totally allowed to remove

Que every muppet ever that keeps saying “OMG, it’s illegal for me to remove a mattress tag” when it’s absolutely not, and they’d know that if they ever read the fucking mattress tag.

Canada firearm homicides: 0.6/100,000 (2016)

Canada vehicular fatalities: 5.0/100,000 (2022)

You can absolutely care about multiple things, but there’s an order of magnitude difference in these two things.

It’s just a material, it’s doesn’t matter without the context of the engineering and construction.

My house is made of the same matrial they use to make fires!!

I’m the same.

But we also pay 5-6% more for everything as a society, or whatever credit cards are charging merchants now a days.

Mostly, but there are also higher egress standards for bedrooms that pretty much any other room.

Might also be some fire issues with kitchens. Or other things I don’t know.

Everything is probably doable within office zoning, but there is no point of its just but as an office.

Preaching to the choir here.

Or leave them there. Let foreign interference put effort into these people. Pull the rug right at/just before election.

Pull the rug now and there is time to turn more politicians.

For example, if I’m not mistaken, California has similar laws on the books and I am fairly certain that uber and lyft include tips in the hourly min. They will probably do similar up your way unless your law makers are some how much smarter and tougher than ours and thought through the possible ways they could work this law.

According to this source

Tips from people receiving the service do not count toward earnings

So that should address that one.

If you allow me to combine:

if I’m not mistaken, California has similar laws on the books

And

I’m going on the presumption that they will do what they will do and that politicians are going to be similar regardless of country or tax laws, etc.

According to this source

“In the middle of an affordability crisis, a ridesharing expense rate that is over 50% higher than the comparable rate in California is unreasonable — and we encourage the government to reconsider the consequences for British Columbians who rely on rideshare and delivery,” emailed Keerthana Rang, the Canadian communications lead for Uber.

So I would think the laws must differ if it makes it comparatively 50% more expensive than California (50% expensive to who? Not sure, I’m guessing the companies are explicitly opaque on that)

As for

If you can prove that Canada is somehow impervious to what they have done everywhere since these companies have existed, I’ll move asap

No one is impervious, the government could change any day and upend the decision. What I can speak to is the current government, who say things like, according to this source :

At an unrelated news conference Friday, B.C. Premier David Eby said despite complaints, regulations will not change. “These companies can suck it up. They’ll be alright,. They’ll be fine,” he said.

Which shows a bit of commitment from the serving party. And also, beyond this salary minimum (it is a minimum, companies are allowed to pay more) they’ve promised to action the following items according to this source :

All ride-hailing service and delivery workers will be covered through WorkSafeBC. Companies will be required to see the location and estimated pay for a job before it is accepted. If workers are suspended or deactivated from an app, companies must tell them why. Companies must ensure 100 per cent of the tips paid by customers go directly to the worker responsible for the service. Establish a 35- to 45-cent minimum per-kilometre vehicle allowance to help workers cover expenses.

While BC is the starting point, politicians aren’t the champion of this movement, it’s UFCW. What union do you belong to?